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How to lose elections and alienate people

by: Thomas

Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 08:13:38 AM EST


I actually wrote a much more lengthy postmortem on our statewide contests a week or so ago, but the sheer size of Mitch Daniels' margin of victory over Jill Long Thompson -- and the unfortunate, yet inevitable narrow losses that followed for our two other statewide candidates -- speaks for itself in a lot of ways. For that reason, I'll offer only a few thoughts.

In order to properly understand the failure of Jill Long Thompson's campaign, you really have to look at the surprising demise of Jim Schellinger's. The first 3-6 months of his effort provided a perfect blueprint of how a lackluster campaign structure can screw up a seemingly great opportunity. I gave credit to Jim at the time for recognizing when changes needed to be made and for making them -- something that nearly saved his campaign -- but there is no denying that his effort was lost in those critical first few months. In the end, the presidential primary factors really dictated the eventual outcome of that race, but the tone was set far before that circus ever rolled into town.

And yet, after being an active observer of all of this, Jill Long Thompson and her staff turned around and repeated the mistakes of history nearly misstep-for-misstep, a sin made even more inexcusable when you consider the number of oft-maligned "establishment" voices who reached out to them in the formative post-primary period when her campaign began its long, consistent journey into the wilderness. There will undoubtedly be a lot of finger pointing in the coming days, at least behind closed doors and on background with reporters, but the simple, inescapable fact is that this race was hopelessly, needlessly lost in the four to six weeks after the primary election.

The media cameras were on, the electorate was engaged, and our gubernatorial campaign simply went into hiding in Argos, not to be seen or heard from again until the state convention in June. By that point, the die had been cast, and history had repeated itself in the most horrific of ways.

Ultimately, this effort was salvageable for much longer than it ever should have been thanks to Barack Obama's stellar campaign, but the insular stubbornness of the candidate and top-level staff -- and the irrational bitterness that seemed to motivate much of the internal decision-making process -- precluded a changing of the strategic guard that at just about any point pre-September could have likely put Long Thompson in the Governor's Mansion.

It's sad, it was unnecessary, but that battle is behind us. Learning from the mistakes of your predecessors is one of the basic building-blocks of any successful political campaign, and if there is one silver lining to all of this, it is that we have a lot of educational material to peruse for the next four years.

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As compared to what? (4.00 / 2)
Pretending the entire campaign didn't happen?

If you'd like to put a positive spin on this contest -- which certainly warrants at least one retrospective look -- I'll gladly front page it.


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Don't let me rain on your parade (0.00 / 0)
You've clearly been waiting to post this for months.  

And in this same vein, shall we take predictions as to how many seats the Democrats will lose nationally in 2010?

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I think... (4.00 / 4)
...we lose 20-30, based simply on the fact that the legislative agenda is sure to stall on some of the progressive issues thanks to the state of the Senate.

I'm more concerned with the Indiana House, which should we not control when 2011 rolls around, could be the place where our congressional gains unravel on the mapmaker's table.

(I've been hoping I wouldn't have to write this post for months. I welcome any disagreements you have with my assessment, but I don't think discounting it based simply on your view of me personally does much of anything.)


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Isn't it already forgone? (4.00 / 1)
They only need to control two of the three (Gov and State Senate) to control redistricting, correct?  It's now up to the conservative Democrats to control their own fate as best they can.  They're going to have to buck the party when their constituents want them to.  But they were going to have to do that anyway, so even "independence" might not save them from defeat in the next one or two elections.

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Historically... (4.00 / 1)
Each chamber has been able to re-write their own boundries, which is why despite Democratic control of the Indiana House and with Frank O'Bannon as Governor, the Indiana Senate is solidly Republican.

But the Congressional districts are another matter entirely.  If we don't lose a district, I think incumbents are safe.  If we do, you betcha it's going to be one of ours to get gerrymandered out.

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In a way, yes... (0.00 / 0)
...but at least with control of the House, we have some semblance of a voice in the process. Without it, we could be looking at a bloodbath from top to bottom.

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in the past (0.00 / 0)
The senate redisticts the senate and the house redistricts the house.....under both rep and dem governors.

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Please (0.00 / 0)
let us savor this victory before your predictions of doom and gloom in 2010 begin.

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The real loss.. (0.00 / 0)
was when she was off the air for 5 weeks after Labor Day.  She was competitive up until then, even with the shitty ads her campaign produced.

Honestly though, I think any Democrat would have lost against Daniels, save perhaps Evan Bayh.  A more competitive Democrat would have caused Mitch to campaign more to his base, which would have turned out more Republicans, which means Obama might not have won Indiana, etc.

I don't know that you can fairly blame the loss of Wood and and Pence on her, but she certainly didn't help them.

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schießekopfs (0.00 / 0)
they deserve every bit of criticism any one can respectfully muster. Jill is a nice person, she stands for good things.  She won a primary due to sexism and a cocky/none-too-bright competitor.  She proved an inept politician who surrounded herself with underpaid and ineffectual advisers.  

Nels got 40%, too... it was an uphill battle but we still lost it profoundly and we absolutely need to examine why.  No better time than the day after the election to begin doing so.  


I like Nels... (4.00 / 1)
...and the people on his campaign, but they needed to get on air, and get on air early. Every penny should have been dedicated to getting his name out there and running comparison pieces.

Of course, that was done pretty effectively in IN-3, and we got waxed. What the hell do I know?


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I don't disagree with anything that you've said... (4.00 / 2)
but the fact that many of our other candidates underperformed might point to some additional factors that I haven't put my finger on yet.



Mitch's popularity... (0.00 / 0)
...and increased GOP turnout because of the presidential race in a few areas probably account for most of our problems.

Did you see the number of state rep candidates using Mitch in their ads? That is a weapon that shouldn't have been in their arsenal.


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Turnout leading to underperformance? (4.00 / 1)
Just checked some preliminary numbers for a couple of the state house races here in Lake County.  At first glance, it looks like turnout in those races did not exceed that of 2004...shocking.



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Thanks, Thomas (4.00 / 2)
for this thoughtful post.  I can tell you've been itching to write it for months. You're entitled--it is your blog, and your views have merit.

The Democrats lost statewide races long before June.  We lost in part, when Mitch spent all last year banking millions, and we didn't have a focused effort to unite behind one winnable candidate.  Jim couldn't have won in the fall, unless he completely altered his personality and allowed some real pros to run everything.  Which is not his personality.  

Mitch very effectively captured the middle in 2005-7.  We ceded that ground to him withi ineffective alternative voices.  He was perfectly positioned, and he became a chameleon to anyone and everyone. Scratch this man's soul and you find he'll become anything to win.

All of this is based on a pretty biased view.  I know Schellinger professionally, and have for years.  I've known Mitch in another setting.  Neither of these men betrayed their true personalities in their campaigns.  They stayed true to their inner cores...

Don't think for a minute that Schellinger wouldn't have been brutally attacked for his firm's school business if he'd won the nomination.  I know the GOP was prepared for that, and they had millions to drive it home.  Whether you or I agree with it, that anti-school-construction message would've hit home with a huge majority of Hoosier voters.  Jim wouldn't have gotten out of June with his skin intact.  They'd have painted him as a spend-it-all liberal who doesn't "get it."

That does not excuse the JLT campaign.  It was eerily reminiscent of gubernatorial campaigns we ran in 1980 and other times. Limp as a noodle after the primary.

This, too shall pass.  I think we'll control the House through redistricting.

And there is a God...after a fellow blogger posted elsewhere, I checked a race I wouldn't have paid attention to any other time.  In the solidly Republican Senate, Mike Young is gone.  The egotistical hateful anti-Peterson gasbag was defeated, and that gives me a little hope in the Smaller House of America's worst state legislature.

Now, on to the future: if we can somehow channel more leadership into the Speaker's office, and a solid, unified budget/education voice therein, we have a chance to be a reasoned alternative voice. Frankly, past history doesn't give me much hope on that one, because this Speaker constantly regresses to past tactics, a quasi-1970s politician stuck in a time warp, unready for this century.  

But a guy can hope, right?


Horrible Campaign (4.00 / 1)
I have written on Dailykos about just how bad this campaign was. Travis Lowe (JLT's campaign manager) is probably the biggest idiot in the party today and I hope he never is allowed to run a campaign against.

The JLT campaign performance was just utterly shameful! In a change election that benefits Democrats, during a time when Indiana goes "blue" for the first time since 1964, how the hell do you manage to lose by 20 points. Giving the circumstances you have to almost try to do that bad.

I don't think that JLT is a bad person, but she certainly surrounded herself with inept people like Travis Lowe. It can only be hoped that this defeat was strong enough to "purge" the party of losers like Mr. Lowe.


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I echo -- (0.00 / 0)
On to the future.

(I heard last night that Mike Young squeaked out a win. Sad.)


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My 2 Cents (0.00 / 0)
IMO, this election was NEVER in doubt. When the candidates where announced on who would run in the primary, the first thing I said was "who the hell are they?" I have to be honest, until I heard them both on the radio on WIBC...IN APRIL OR MAY, I hadn't heard of either of them. They fought the battle (the primary) all out, and then had nothing left but shambles from the destructive primary.

The Jefferson Jackson Dinner foreshadowed the loss for me. When I was introduced to Jill as an undecided voter, she explained to me how bad Mitch Daniels was, and all the bad things he had done. When she paused, I asked her what she planned to do. She snarkingly responded "I don't know what you want me to say." This has been a constant from the campaign. I never got a clear sense of her vision for the state.

I heard her speak at the state convention, when she spoke to the Stonewall Democrats. When Dennie Oxley asked how he would govern in place for Jill, she interrupted him and spoke for him. The impression I was left with was one of unease.

I'm not sure who was in charge of going to the DNC Convention, but the fact that Dennie was there instead of Jill was an obvious dig from one side or the other. The division within the party was palatable.  

Finally, this election didn't play well for the type of candidate that JTL was. She was closer to Hillary, than Barack. The electorate spoke, and it's unfortunate but obvious that the "candidate of hope" was Mitch, not Jill.


Uh... (0.00 / 0)
Dennie was at the national convention because he was an elected district-level delegate and had to be in order to vote. Now, I think that was a shit idea from the outset -- why have either of the candidates away from the trail during the last few months of the campaign? But I think you're reading far too much into his appearance in terms of internal unease.

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I understand him being there.... (4.00 / 2)
my point was more that he was there and SHE wasn't there. A couple days in Denver wasn't going to doom her election chances, but it sure as hell would have given her a chance to heal some wounds and rally troops to defeat Daniels. As it was, the feeling I got was of apathy towards her race.  

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But (2.67 / 3)
Did she tell you she had a Ph.D and an MBA?

There is no windchill at absolute zero.

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Lame (0.00 / 0)
Take it to Hoosier Access

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Hey now (4.00 / 1)
I'm not mocking her for having those things. I'm happy to have smart people in positions of power. I'm mocking her for thinking it was a relevant point to mention repeatedly in a political campaign. Maybe I'm wrong, but to me this was emblematic of the problem with her style of campaigning.  

There is no windchill at absolute zero.

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No... (4.00 / 1)
but she did say "Did you know I grew up on a farm?"

;)

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You guys are kind of dicks, you know? (2.67 / 3)
A woman offers herself up in service to the people of Indiana, she doesn't perform as well as you believe she should, so now we turn her campaign into a punchline and uprate each other's comments because we're so funny.  What-ev!

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Howard (0.00 / 0)
The above comment is as much for you as it is for anyone to whom I'm actually replying.  So soak it in, buddy.

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wow.. your statements.. (0.00 / 0)
are nearly as gracious as Sarah Palin's concession speech.  Oh wait, she didn't concede did she?  Kinda said, it's all his fault.

So, look, the campaign sucked.  And yeah, there is a strong anti-intellectual streak in Hoosiers, that's why brilliant Mitch played local yokel in an RV for a year before winning.


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That's funny (0.00 / 0)
For some time now I've detected an anti-intellectual streak on this entire site.

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Remember (0.00 / 0)
I am not now nor I ever been your buddy!

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Um... (0.00 / 0)
I find it really hard to believe she would have responded to that question that way.  She's not exactly new to politics.  And I think even a neophyte would be able to at least muster a platitude or two to the "What do you plan to do?" question.  Your anecdote doesn't pass the sniff test.

Additionally, your thoughts are interesting considering it wasn't so long ago that you expressed to me no doubts that JLT would carry the state.

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LOL (0.00 / 0)
MC, I stopped caring or taking a long time to respond to you months ago. IMO, you're a troll and about as interesting as a Mario Cuomo's talk show.
I really don't care what you believe or say. A dialogue is something that happens between two respectful people. You have little respect for me, and the feeling is mutual.  

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Mutual feelings indeed (0.00 / 0)
This isn't a dialogue; this me calling you out for presenting a story that on its face is preposterous because while I'm sure the Jill-haters around here will swallow it whole, I would be loathe to do so.

And assuming we're all settled here you can go back to insulting the size of genitial of your ideological opponents or whatever other highminded political discourse you have on your plate this evening.


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Marti's anecdote aside... (4.00 / 2)
She did have trouble answering a question about her economic policy proposal:

I think the objective observer would be willing to concede that she didn't exude a sense of purpose, of explaining why she was running FOR Governor instead of running AGAINST Mitch Daniels.

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I don't want to belabor this (0.00 / 0)
But at the same time I'm unwilling to let you think you're providing objective prespective just because you found a random youtube video to post.

The candidate in the video you posted is worthy of criticism, but it's not the same candidate Marit is portraying.  Snarky (Marti's exact word) and dismissive is not what's going on in the clip above... So why is it in this thread?

Further, I completely disagree with you.  JLT was right to run majority-negative campaign against a relatively popular incumbent.  It wasn't enough for her to present herself to voters; most importantly she needed to point out what's wrong with Mitch and differentiate herself from him. That's Politics 101.

The problem, and this is seriously painfully obviously, is that she had no money.  And the reason she had no money is not becuase her campaign wasn't positive enough.  Thomas is probably right about this- it didn't have money becuase it didn't hit the ground running.

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Nice (0.00 / 0)
Did you write this or did Wagner write it for you? I think it's pathetic that you and your buddies at the state party continue to obsess about this over a year after Schellinger's entire staff quit in frustration.  They quit, by the way, because the state party hacks were making all the decisions that resulted in the crappy campaign that Jim ran.  Jim's campaign manager quit in August, and his finance director, field director, and events manager quite shortly thereafter--your insinuation that Jim "made changes" is flat wrong and potentially libelous. Ironically, Schellinger himself even lied to his donors about his manager quitting, often saying he was just "on vacation."

The idea that NINE MONTHS to go before the primary just wasn't enough time to turn around the train wreck that Parker created--and that Jim created for himself--is absolutely ridiculous.  The only thing his campaign ever did right was raise a million bucks for a guy who'd never run for office.  That happened in the first 3 months.

You and your pals will continue to rewrite history for anyone who will listen, but do yourself a favor:  go out back, chop some wood, build a bridge, and get over it.


You do realize... (0.00 / 0)
...that I'm perfectly aware of who you are, right? Perks of the blogmaster title and all.

And you do realize how absurd it is for you to accuse me of being obsessed with the primary campaign by hijacking my post-primary analysis to talk about ...wait for it... the primary?


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It sounds to me... (4.00 / 2)
Like you would do well to take your own advice. Apparently "getting over it" involves writing 2 paragraph long diatribes filled with vitroilic comments while accusing someone else of doing the exact thing you are engaging in at that very moment.

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Nobody Knew Anyone Was Running Against Him. (4.00 / 1)
I started supporting Jill Long Thompson even before  the primary season. I saw her as the intellectual and reasoned approach to Mitch Daniels' ineffective and ignorant administration. ("He might not have done everything right, but he at least did something" went the brazen Daniels radio spot.) During the primary campaign, I complained to her staffers by email about not getting the candidate out and promoting her in areas other than her hometown and South Bend.  In Kokomo, I actually was the only one in town with a Jill Long Thompson yard sign. I thought there would be more.
In August I asked folks around town if they were going to vote for Jill, they had no idea there was anyone running against Daniels.
The week before the election I travelled the US 31 corridor from Indy to Kokomo 2 times. I counted 15 Daniels/Skillman signs of various sizes. Jill Long Thompson signs..0.
We can all blame JLT's staff, but WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF US?
Do we have a responsibility for not promoting the top of our ticket, particularly in a year of Major Moves debacles and property tax mishandling? Indiana State Democrats should be ashamed. I know I am. We always eat our own. so after the carnage this year Democrats, can we get our heads out of our arses and get together to win in 2012? I'm willing, how about you?

It was a time when belief was preferred over argument- Simone de Beauvoir

Yard signs (4.00 / 1)
Jill's campaign actually didn't get yard signs until a few weeks before the election.  They were completely cash-strapped.  Whereas the Daniels campaign appears to have personally delivered a sign (or Mitch billboard) to every one of its supporters.  One of the benefits of having more money than you can spend.

And I think there's some merit in your other point.  I think that if you took a survey of the people on this site as to how many gave time or money to the Obama campaign versus the JLT campaign there would be no contest.  How many people on this site have an Obama sticker on their car, and how many have a JLT sticker? There was just zero excitemnt from many Dems for the governor's race.  And we'll all pay the price for the next four years and well beyond.

Furthermore, the only time her campaign was talked about was to criticize it.  And criticism is fine to a point, but there's constructive criticism and then there's beating a dead horse.  Now we're blaming Jill for the loss of the other two state-wide races.  Pretty convenient.  Sure, she was no good at running for guv, but she's not bad to have to kick around, is she?  

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Well, Mario... (4.00 / 2)
I gave money, raised money, talked Jill up at other sites, and yes I voted for her.  I think she is a fine person but a terrible statewide candidate.  I think her place is in a legislative body or in a bureaucracy because she doesn't scream "leadership."  As far as "excitement", it's hard to get excited about a candidate who doesn't seem excited about her own race.

Hoosier Progressive

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I supported and voted for her too. (0.00 / 0)
But I don't think it's a crime to talk about what a lousy campaign she ran.

To blame the voters is preposterous, and to say she didn't help Linda Pence is just common sense. Linda almost won her seat IN SPITE OF JILL.

Jill was the one who couldn't raise money, she couldn't inspire people, and I know she alienated a LOT of people. Hell, picking Dennie made it very hard for people in the GLBT community to support her at all. He was a supporter of SJR7, and his attempts at reconciliation weren't what I'd call stellar.

Mario, your track record of supporting losing candidates is phenomenal. Your predictions are even worse. When I do run for political office, can you make sure you don't vote for me? It'll be a good omen. Or better yet, maybe we can go down to OTB and I'll bet against every horse you pick... we'll make a killing!

 


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Speaking of punchlines... (0.00 / 0)
I'd love to see you run for office in Indiana.  I can't promise I wouldn't vote for you, though; if I can vote for Obama, obviously I can support any Democrat.  Not that you'd have a chance in hell at making it on a general election ballot.  If you thought Jill was snarky, what the hell do you think you are?  Get a clue.

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Good for all of us (4.00 / 2)
We vented.  Got it out of your systems?  

Now, can we stop being a circular firing squad?  Jill beat Schellinger, Daniels beat Jill.  I laughed.  I cried.  It became a part of me.  And then I got on with this thing I've got going called a life.  The whole "I've got your IP address" thing is unattractive, as is this diatribe between Marti and Mario. Both are better posters than noted here.

We'll nominate a good candidate in 2012.  And if there's any luck at all, Mitch will insist that the Lite Guv be nominated.  Which would be freaking fantastic--a Mercedes candidate in a Honda Civic state.

Got DC Ingurual travel plans to make, after all.  Went to one (1992), can't wait to go to this one.



It had nothing to do with an IP address... (0.00 / 0)
...to be honest, and much more to do with my personal frustration with former staffers who somehow envision the anonymity of the internet as being absolute.

Well, that and my impulsive and generally unimpeded predilection for smart-ass responses.


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I know quite a few people who are making the trip... (0.00 / 0)
...for the inauguration. As seems to be my life story at the moment, law school will probably keep me out of the loop.

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Oh, and there's definitely something wrong with the Indiana Democratic party (4.00 / 1)
A Democrat wins the Presidency in our state for the first time in 44 years, and the only other thing we have to show for it is a net gain of ONE seat in the house?  Are you kidding me?

The only thing more shocking than that is trying to put all the blame at the feet of our gubernatorial candidate.  Get real.

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I think... (0.00 / 0)
I really believe JLT to be a good person, but the people that rang her campaign... well we need to get them out of this party!

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I'm not trying to put all the blame there... (4.00 / 1)
...but there is no denying that we had a lot of targeted House seats that the Governor was able to act as an asset in during the final weeks. A more effective effort at the top of the ticket -- and admittedly, a presidential campaign that could have politically afforded to stand consistently with said gubernatorial effort -- would have helped considerably.

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That makes no sense (0.00 / 0)
The Obama campaign couldn't politically afford to "stand consistently" with JLT?  Based on what?  She appeared with him at all his rallies.  Are you suggesting at some point he distanced himself from her?  When and in what way? Or perhaps he should have done more, like cut ads or stump for her, but didn't because of politics?  Was there another state in which Obama cut ads or stumped for a gubernatorial candidate?  I'm just curious where your opinion is coming from, empirically.

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In short (4.00 / 1)
Are you suggesting at some point he distanced himself from her?
Yes. And it was smart -- polls across the state showed her underperforming him by 10-20 points, and I am certain they realized (as Mitch did) the benefit of not directly injecting themselves into a contest in which they only had things to lose.

Was there another state in which Obama cut ads or stumped for a gubernatorial candidate?
Gubernatorial? I don't know, but he cut radio ads for Andre in the general election. He cut television ads for Senate candidates out West.

I'm not saying he should have -- politically, it made no sense -- but it would have been nice to have a one-two punch when it came to building a narrative in-state.


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That's a cute narrative (0.00 / 0)
But you can apply it to plenty of other races, including pretty much all of Indiana's other Congressional races:  Obama didn't proactively inject himself into the race, and therefore he distanced himself from shitty candidates Baron Hill and Mike Montagano.  You're painting JLT as a toxic candidate when the reality is that she just wasn't electric, as Mitch was.  But like I said earlier, she's pretty handy to have to kick around.

Believe what you want, but blaming everything on Jill, in my opinion, is the best way to ensure the Indiana Democratic Party is in for some serious losses in the near future.  I think it'd be better if everybody took some responsibility.  IDP didn't have shit to do with Obama's win, so where the hell are my contributions going?

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All we have are opinions -- (4.00 / 1)
This is, after all, just a fucking blog. Mine isn't more important than yours, by any means, and I don't mean to assert it is.

I just think I'm right. :)


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Yep (0.00 / 0)
And I'm sure the IDP thanks you kindly for your opinion.  In the meantime, I'm going to make sure some people get their heads out of their asses before I give them any more of my money.

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:D (0.00 / 0)
It's fun and easy to blame others when things go wrong :P

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Sorry, this still bugs me: (0.00 / 0)
a presidential campaign that could have politically afforded to stand consistently with said gubernatorial effort

By comparing Obama's involvement with Andre's campaign to JLT's you're basically saying Jill had to be a shoo-in for election in order for Obama to "stand" with her.  Which says more about Obama's campaign in IN than it does about Jill's.  So, I continue to be unimpressed with your analysis

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Merkely in OR (4.00 / 1)
Was in a highly competitive contest.

And more importantly, I'm not sure than any candidate this year could have created a voting bloc similar enough to Obama's to enable such a double-team. I wasn't blaming JLT per say, but rather just pointing out (quite unproductively) that if things had been different, they sure would have been different.


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OR politics vs IN politics (0.00 / 0)
Do I really need to say more?  You need to look at the politics of the STATE, not just the candidates.  Obama could have stumped for anybody in that state without affecting the outcome of his election there.  Try again.

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Restating my point... (0.00 / 0)
...doesn't make it less true.

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Then we agree (0.00 / 0)
Obama was limited in his associations in Indiana due to the conservative nature of the state.  Andre Carson in the 7th district was obviously going to win and could only serve to drum up support for Obama whereas JLT had a more complicated race.  Saying Obama coudln't "stand with her" serves no purpose except to tear her down.

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Oh, and by the way (0.00 / 0)
I think Obama could have helped us all by growing a pair and taking a chance for once.  It woudln't have been the end of the world for him to cut an ad with Jill, but we all know how risk-averse that man is, so there was never really any chance of that happening, was there?

Just my opinion.

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It was funnier the first time (0.00 / 0)


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I don't necessarily disagree with you, Mario... (0.00 / 0)
And I think you certainly a very intelligent and astute observer of this race and politics in general.

Maybe Obama could've stood to "grow a pair", but just look at some of his speeches and especially the debates. He ran a relatively "safe" campaign and whether or not you agree with that is irrelevant, seeing as it worked for him! What he did with the 7th district and Jill Long was just smart politics. And perhaps pointing that out serves no purpose other than to tear her down, but what is wrong with assigning responsibility where it is due?  


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Nothing wrong with responsbility (0.00 / 0)
But it appears that there are at least a few people here content to believe that it only takes one person to win or lose an election.  Indiana Democrats need broad institutional support to get anywhere.  Some people here seem to be content believing the statewide party is operating at full potential, but I don't reside on that planet, personally.  Something went wrong, and it wasn't just the candidate and her campaign alone.  It's pretty clear to me that Indiana Dem Party had little-to-nothing to do with Obama's win, so what exactly are we giving them credit for?  Not losing too badly in the one year a Democratic presidential candidate carries Indiana?  It's going to take me a while to get my head around that, but unlike my cohorts I'd rather give it a little thought before knee-jerking blame in Jill's direction.

This whole post and the majority of its respondents seems like head-in-the-sand blame-gaming to me, but what do I know.

ELLSWORTH FOR SENATE 2010


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