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The case against the case against Evan Bayh

by: Thomas

Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 17:34:15 PM EDT


Yesterday saw Washington Post blogger extraordinaire Chris Cillizza post his "Case for Evan Bayh" as part of a series looking at the accepted leaders in the Democratic veepstakes. Love him or hate him, the argument is a strong one, and I think the Cillizzard's main point warrants repeating.
If you believe, as The Fix does, that Obama faces a stark choice between a fresh face and a elder statesman in his vice presidential pick, then the only candidate being seriously considered who could bridge that gap is Bayh.
Today brought the other side of the punditocracy's coin, with a "Case against Evan Bayh."

The argument is threefold: Bayh lacks support in the progressive netroots, he was a vocal Clinton supporter throughout the primary process and, surprisingly, he is "too safe."

Although certain bloggers do have a tendency to overstate their significance, I'm not one to diminish the power of the 'roots. That being said, I simply don't buy the idea that Bayh's centrist history would in any way keep the highly motivated progressive voting bloc away from the polls come November. Barack Obama is too strong a candidate, McCain is too reactionary, and at the end of the day, I believe any uproar would be limited to a flash in the pan, rather than anything more problematic. In my mind, the pros definitely outweigh the cons on this one.

Regarding Bayh's support of Hillary Clinton throughout the primary process, I don't think this should really be held against any Democrat. People picked their horse, the race was run, and at the end of the day, the Democratic Party emerged stronger than ever. But don't take my word for it, because Sen. Bayh himself put out the same message last week. It's compelling, if for no other reason than it's true.

Finally, I think the most entertaining section of the piece is the assessment of Bayh as "too safe" for Obama's ticket.

Bayh is widely seen as the safest pick Obama can make. He brings relatively little baggage (or potential baggage) to the ticket and is so on message that it's hard to see him making any big mistake while out campaigning in the fall.

But, the very safety that recommends Bayh to many Democrats is seen as a potential problem by others. The theory goes that Obama has generated so much excitement and interest from all sorts of people -- traditional Democratic constituencies and even those who have never been interested in politics before -- that picking a standard-issue Washington politician would drain some of the excitement and sense of "candidacy as movement" from Obama.

In other words: Evan Bayh's biggest negative is his lack of apparent negatives.

I'll give Chris an 'A' for effort, but if I were the Obama campaign, the last thing I would want in a running mate is someone who is creating stories on their own.

At the end of the day, after re-reading Cillizza's previous "Case for / Case against" pieces, I'm convinced that our friend over at the Post has convinced himself that, in the least, Evan Bayh stands a serious chance in the veepstakes. And, more importantly, he would be a legitimate asset to the ticket if selected.

Agree with me? Disagree completely? Let's hear it.

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Some thoughts... (1.33 / 3)
I think this is a pretty fair analysis.  What it really boils down to, in my opinion, is what kind of Vice-President Obama wants in is administration.  A Bayh selection would signal that he wants a"hands-off" Vice-President such as Walter Mondale or Gerald Ford.  Selecting someone like Clinton, Nunn, Bloomberg or Biden would suggest that Obama plans to follow the trend of a powerful and engaged number 2...more like Al Gore or Dick Cheney.  Bayh is certainly a safe choice.  As a candidate running against the status quo, Obama may catch some flack for picking a candidate who had thrived in current system of politics as usual.  

The best possible byproduct of a Bayh vice presidential candidacy would be an influx of attention and money for the purpose of turning this state blue in Nov.  That would only mean good thing for Jill Long Thompson and other candidates with a shot like Mike Montagano who is raising money like it's his job in the 3rd CD.  


What! (3.33 / 3)
I hate to burst your bubble, but Bayh has made the Bush Democrat list and for good reason.  He has voted right along with Bush on the Iraq war most of the time and on other issues as well.  Why, he's a Bush lite.  That would not be a legitimate asset for Obama.  We do not need anymore Democrats that go along with the Republicans and he would hurt Obama in the election because of his pro Bush votes on the Iraq war.  Don't forget a very large part of the Democratic base are against the Iraq war and that hurt Kerry in the last presidential election.  We don't want to make that mistake again.  

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VeepStakes (4.00 / 2)
Of course our esteemed junior Senator is in the running.  He's been here before in 2000 and 2004 (see Varvel's comic about Mr. Bayh sitting by a phone waiting for it to ring).

With Sen. Landrieu in deep trouble (and Jindal getting more and more play from the McCain campaign), could Sen. Schumer really allow another red state blue Senator go?  With most prognosticators saying Democrats COULD get to 58 or 59 in the Senate - close enough to a super majority - how devastating would it be to lose three (Obama, Bayh, Landrieu) before you get to enjoy it and MAYBE only get one back.

The most apparent argument for Bayh is that Obama needs him to win Indiana.  An argument can also be said that with Bayh's support only, it would bring out enough voters in the major cities (E-ville, Fort Wayne, Indy, Lake & Porter County) that he'd easily win the state (See Sen. Clinton's win).

Time will tell, but remember that traditionally, VeeP candidates come from that little part of the brain that goes, "oh yea...why didn't I think of that guy" where as the most ever-present outgoing obvious choice is mostly a smoke screen.  I'd look out for Lee Hamilton (an early supporter of Obama, a Hoosier political legend, and a foreign policy wonk with tons of respect in Washington).


Special election? (0.00 / 0)
If Bayh were to be in the VP slot, and win, I assume there would be a special election to fill out his term - and I'm not really sure how that would play out. I think that this could present a problem, and I'm not sure who would be the best candidate on the Democratic side.

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There is no special election -- (0.00 / 0)
The Governor appoints his replacement. In this case, it would be the winner of this year's gubernatorial contest, as the swearing in of the president takes place after the swearing in of the Indiana Governor.

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Ditch Mitch! (0.00 / 0)
All the more reason to Privatize Mitch !

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Here's the problems I see with Bayh. (4.00 / 2)
First, I doubt that he could necessarily deliver Indiana. Hillary barely squeeked out a win with Bayh really getting out front for her. Obama may win IN regardless, especially if the economy keeps tanking.

Second, Bayh was a big supporter of the Iraq War at the outset. Yes, he has repudiated that vote, but he would muddle one of Obama's strongest suits--his early and clear opposition to the war.

Third, Bayh is a former chair of the DLC. I spend a lot of time at DailyKos, and while Bayh's selection won't keep progressives from voting for Obama, he will kill some enthusiasm and raise a howl. Most progressives really, really dislike Bayh.

Personally, I think Obama will choose someone who did not vote for the war and who is not a senator. IMHO, I think it will be a governor like Sebelius or Kaine. I don't think Obama is buying the frame that he needs someone with military/foreign affairs credentials.

I love Republicans--especially flame-broiled.


Kaine is out... (0.00 / 0)
He is anti-choice and that is a big no-no.

Hoosier Progressive

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Not the one (4.00 / 2)
First of all, Bayh would have to make a major move to the left to even be considered a centrist.  Secondly,  he is boring and unimaginative and would add nothing to the ticket.  Third,  we would lose a senate seat.  I do agree that the fact that he supported Hillary is not a negative.  Where in the world are you finding polls that show Landrieu tanking...every one that I have seen, show her getting stronger by the day.....Jindal performed an exorcism on someone...wait until that makes the blogs....Obama can carry Indiana without Bayh.

a note (0.00 / 0)
I don't quite agree with everyone's predictions that Bayh will be a negative to the campaign. He's no more "boring" than Al Gore or Dick Cheney. I'd also rather see Obama in the white house over losing the senate seat. Dems are going to still have a 55-45 hold in senate (minimum. Follow the polls and races). The (extreme) "progressive left" needs to take a breather. They always look for what to hate before they see what there is to like.  

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Nice post (4.00 / 2)
IN3, you seem to have napped through the last two weeks.  The Obama campaign has already opened something like a dozen offices statewide, placed staffers in them, and promises another ten or so.  And I've seen their efforts producing results: those staffers spend their entire waking hours ginning up supporters to register voters and canvass.  It's like a mantra to them...the results are indeed positive.

Whether Evan Bayh is on the ticket or not, Indiana is in play.

As for Evan's help making the difference for Hillary: she won the state by about 3,900 votes.  It was hers to lose, and she almost did.  Barack's folks out-staffed Hillary's 3-1 and damned near pulled it off.  Evan's presence didn't help that much...ask Hillary, who expected to win by more.

On second thought, I dn't want to open THAT can of worms.  Don't ask Hillary.

We could do a lot worse than Evan Bayh as VP.  And we have.  Very recently...evidenced by Shooter.


Nap Not... (1.67 / 3)
Blue State, If you somehow think that a Bayh vice-presidency wouldn't increase the chance that Obama takes Indiana or JLT wins the gubernatorial race, then you're the one who has been napping.  I'm quite aware that Obama has a heavy presence in the state, but that's not quite the same as having our junior senator on the ticket.  I'm not totally convinced that Bayh is a good choice for Obama, but you have to admit that Bayh knows how to get democrats elected democrats in this red state.  

ooh,sure (4.00 / 2)
Just ask Jim Schellinger about his governors nomination and Hillary about her 10% win in Indiana...also Bart Peterson might want to add to that also.

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Iraq (4.00 / 2)
Despite the fact that the pro-war media doesn't like to talk about it, voting for war in Iraq was among the top factors that Clinton didn't run away with the Democratic nomination. And as Greg Sargent of TPM pointed out, Bayh did more than vote for the war:

Bayh was an honorary co-chair of the neocon pro-war Committee for the Liberation of Iraq -- a group he joined along with none other than John McCain and Joe Lieberman.

And there's the downside of picking Bayh, one of the leaders of the disaster that is Iraq.


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Right On BrianK (4.00 / 1)
Right,  Anyone that voted to attack Iraq is going to lose some votes in the upcoming elections.  A lot of us are afraid they will vote to attack Iran next!  Gosh, we've been Iraq longer than we were in World War Two.  

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